A single bite around the throat from a mountain lion can be fatal to prey . Shoot, shovel, and shut up. I bought Bear Loads in .45 LC and .357 MAG, but they were both hollow points (300 & 180 grains, respectively). Why dont you go out in the woods and try out some of your hollowpoints . You are on the Alaskan highways lets get that straight. Great Man, and he never told a fib while I grew up At 75 I will never know. A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. In a close encounter this bear would have had enough time to kill me with no problem. Moutain Lions arent bear-zombie-meat-tanks. Its getting to be real world, daily and wont get better until folks like us step up and step forward. He said 45 colt loaded with a 300 grain plus hard cast bullet. Ive been privileged enough to take a couple of black bears in both Quebec and New York and have seen many more while at work and play. In Alaska, we not only have to deal with the common two-legged variety of vermin found in every place in the world, but also the large, four-legged beasts that can either kill and trample you with their hooves, or rip you apart with their claws and teeth; its the latter which draw hunters to the Last Frontier with high-power, large caliber rifles. I call BS. If it was acting as weird as they say, they were idiots for not assuming that it was rabid. took advantage of this for their hike the following day. The Smith & Wesson 329 PD is by far the best handgun choice for self-defense against bears and boars while out and about in the woods. The Casull is an updated and slightly elongated version of the .45 Colt, fully capable of firing .45 Colt ammunition. elk a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. The black bears have been stopped with pistols, rifles, shotguns and once with an ax. But I learned more in this article about wildlife and practical sidearms than any other article to date in thirty-five plus years. Required fields are marked *. I wouldnt recommend anything less than .44 mag or equivalent. I found it on the Internet in a read only document. Hard cast lead or perhaps some modern all brass penetrators would probably be better. The issues penetration. 44 mag or most any other caliber in those ranges if the person using it knows how to shoot. Regardless, I draw the line at 10mm and 45 Super as my bottom 2 choices in bear country. I carry my Glock G20 SF 10mm when I walk our dogs. Beside, everyone agrees, and it has been my personal experience in bear (black only so far, but grizzly are about) stand-offs hauling out elk quarters in the Bitterroot Mtns that youre only going to get two shots and the extra round of a semi-auto (6 + 1) offers over a six-shooter revolver is a debate of deck chair arrangements on the Titanic. Bears cannot see as well as they can hear and smell. Put up the fishing gear and settled in for the night. An interesting side note is that after a bear has been skinned and hung up, if you come upon the scene unexpectedly you would think that you are looking at a dead man. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. If there is any wind at all, the fog will only travel about 3 feet before it turns and drifts in the direction of the wind. He was knocked down to the ground getting mauled fending off the black bear with his left arm while he drew and fired his semi-auto point blank into the bears throat with his right. the vast majority of industry gun writers are basically shilling new gear and tend to exist in a repetitive echo chamber with little or no practical experience. WLN LBT even at long ranges with factory twists. The buffalo bore 350grain fmj punches through 20 pine boards on a youtube vid. They understood the dangers. coastal on the Alaska peninsula quartering away with a .338 Win mag. I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. Any wildlife that is killed will remain the property of the state and will be reported to the division within five days. There is an interesting compilation of mountain lion incidents and attacks titled: Cougar Attacks & Other Incidents -2000 to date. When I asked him for his thoughts on carry guns for bear country, Phil related the following: Phil, I have always said that carrying any handgun for bear protection is similar to wearing a life jacket in a boat, or parachute in a plane. Look it up. The recoil is quite severe for all of these loads and I cant imagine wanting or needing to go to the 460 Rowland! . The Interior Grizzlies are not like your fat on salmon Brownies. Question whats your life worth to you. The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. I saw a beautiful Blond one in Glacier Natl Park a couple of years ago. Mountain Lion Attack Stopped by Man with Handgun in 2010, Teenager Sexually Assaults Friends Mom, Gets Rejected at Gunpoint, TTAG Daily Digest: Actually Shooting Someone, Ratings Kryptonite and the NRA in the Time of Trump. Ive ditch my .460 Rowland. Automatic option for black bear other than a10mm that youll never carry any other time. Penetration is what is needed, no hollow points. You could get pretty close to a semi-auto .454 Casull if you had a .440 Cor-Bon Desert Eagle. My close friend and ex-county sheriff assures me that, unless you are acting like an idiot, most sheriffs here in Colorado will just shake your hand and wish you a good day, IF they happen to see your with a magazine with > 15 rounds. My second firearm of choice because it works for two legged predator as well is my Springfield XDM 460 Rowland. Protect your neck, throat, and head. My colleague and friend Bryce Towsley (brycetowsley.com) is a veteran gun writer who has considerable experience with bears of all sorts. The Hornady 325gr Leverevolution is a whole different story. Owing to circumstances at their place, I wasnt able to go. That is your choice. ( nothin) lol. Adult weight: Males range from 116-160 pounds and females, 75-110 pounds Mine rides in a Diamond D Guides Choice model. I would wantShortFast out of the holster.and powerful. Big bears do not get big being stupid around people. Back in the 70s, this form of competition was only for revolvers. Hunters must contact a CPW office within 48 hours of a lion . Its got the velocity, but wonder if it would have the penetration? I looked at my knife on my hip and quickly decided thst wouldnt work. Penetration and shot placement are king. The experience led me to think about bear, cougar, and moose encounters that can happen on my property. Its a free country Plinker you are free to engage in Prayer, Ritual and Incantations by the light of the moon. Hardly know its even there. wild berries and plums, and of course during hunting season (deer and elk for instance) Like I said before , I wish someone would make a 416 Rem Mag. Colorado Parks and Wildlife said the man, identified on Thursday as 31-year-old Travis Kauffman, is "recovering well" after the self-defense attack on Feb. 4. Mountain lions actually have the largest hind legs (proportionally) of all the members of the cat family. They are beautiful animals I love seeing in the wild, but from a very safe distance, downwind of the bear. The photos are nice, but all the ammo photos are of hollow points, and I have substantial doubts about the value of hollow points against bears, especially grizzlies. Last time I was buying bulk ammo in 5.56 mm NATO, 9 mm, .40 Smith, .44 Mag and My first choice is a Springfield XD 5 inch in 460 Rowland. concealed carry and for the outdoors: hiking, fishing, camping, bird watching, gathering It can push a 400-grain bullet to more than 1,500 fps, but I cant control it. I prefer to carry a .460 Roland built on .45 Colt ACP 1911 chassis. black bears A perfect shot to the brain may stop a griz or black bear with a smaller caliber but you cant count on a perfect shot every time. For both wilderness/rural vs. urban/metro I cannot I called out local F&G agent. The dogs are most often released at the kill site, where they pick up the lion's scent and track the lion until it is cornered or climbs a tree. reviews, The big cats are thin skinned and not that hard to kill. 300 grains is on the low end for 50ae. People started carrying bear spray in that area. .38spl are pretty light loads. Regarding your story about the two men from California who discharged bear spray in their hotel room in their haste to try it out forcing the hotel to gut and refinish the room entirely, of course after evicting the two Californians. I once was a .460 Rowland fan, too, at one time. National Park Service, via AP, FILE. Exactly. Mountain lions dont have a reputation for requiring powerful firearms to put them down.. uh://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_title_1.1, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/. For those worried/concerned about the weight of their weapon, I can say this, at my first close encounter along Frazier Lake, I couldnt have told you if my rifle weighed an ounce or 20 lbs! When it comes to wheel guns should they be ported? Newsweek has contacted the California Department of Fish and Wildlife for comment. And, take the time and professional training to get to know how it feels to defend yourself in a close-combat type of scenario. If you choose a 9mm in bear country, you dont want hollow points but maybe something like Lehigh Defense Extreme Penetratorwith its solid copper bullet. lever action 44 mag) . The yellow color was striking. There was also a guy who used the Air Force M6 .22 LR/.410 GA over/under rifle/shotgun. Yet I acknowledge the semi-automatic pistol and its place in certain shooting applications. He said not really. As an Army veteran, I had no problem with my shot placement just my faith in loads. For me, Id say whatever you have at the time is better than nothing. Yes I admit this was a freak happening. With the right bullet most large caliber handguns will end the confrontation in your favor if done this way. An exceedingly interesting question. Lightweight and well-balanced, I had a chance to spend a bit of time with this wheelgun at the SHOT Show in Las Vegas. Sources The hollow point would probably work against you with the skull of a mountain lion. A .38 caliber revolver naturally makes an ideal companion for fishing, camping, hunting, 7.6225 Red Army Standard 86gr. Honestly for a Mountain Lion a human does not have a good chance when it comes down to human w/ knife vs mountain lion, but I do recommend he has a knife in case he would be knocked to the ground or a last resort. double action using 250gr. We hadnt thought of that. That accounted for its lethargic behavior when it quietly approached they boy and his cousin near a river in Arizonas Tonto National Forest. A good .357 Magnum and I really like the Kimber K6s will definitely come in handy. I have a hard time believing when pressed in close quarters, that they would do well with a .410 load in the face. Not to be the asshole of the crowd, but a Grizzly is an Ursus arctos horribilis as opposed to just the Ursus arctos, or Brown Bear. I think that the 480 Ruger is a real sparkling over looked gem. Great advice. There was a Professor who during the 50s and 60s working with the US Forrest Service..spent a great deal of time studying bears and bear attacks. My new Ruger Super Blackhawk can handle hot + P 45 colt loads. False economy at that point. This is a real concern on the outskirts of . Lmaoand excellent thought below about the 454 brass trimmed down. . In an ambush situation, if you havent been paying attention, you wont have much time to reactMost of the people I know use the Ruger Alaskan pistols in 44mag minimum, next in popularity is the 454 Ruger Alaskan. When I fleshed the bear skull I filled a 5 gallon bucket with muscle meat from the skull. Yes and no.. might be ok for a black bear, but will likely piss off a coastal bear. An interesting piece giving advice from expert typewriter shooters to bear hunters. Babb said the attack occurred while the boy and his family were taking a break from riding all-terrain vehicles. Carry the biggest freaking Gun you can shoot very very well ! The cougar chased Kyle Burgess, 26 . This I know from personal experience! Anyway, Ive had my share of sleepless nights in a tent in Alaska and try to heed to basics keep food well away from camp, cook away from camp, dont camp on trails, avoid cubs like the plague, if approached give ground, etc. That said, here are my picks. So dont go shooting just for fun especially on Kodiak. Join half a million readers enjoying Newsweek's free newsletters. Good article. My other handgun, my day-to-day gun, is a well-worn Smith & Wesson Model 36, in .38 Special. Young cubs are emerging for the first time, and mothers are ultra-protective. Your 9mm, .38 spl. A powerful handgun with a tough, deep penetrating bullet is the key. Not being a cougar hunter, didnt pay much attention to it. What would make a good companion piece [long gun] regardless of sidearm? The child was scratched by the cats paw when the lion was spooked by gunfire. Im not against revolvers. 45acp . In the end the animals will lose as even the anti-hunting crowd will realize that dangerous animals cannot be tolerated around civilization as there is no room for both humans and dangerous animals or wild animals that destroy crops. When confronted by a threat.. you need to tick off a very short, well reasoned and practiced list. One thing that does not get mentioned much is that Y pattern that a charging bears head presents makes for a difficult target to hit. After feeding on its kill, the lion will cache the prey, or bury it in a secluded spot. I asked if he was afraid of the Bears. 9mm & 38? I carry a SW 500 in a chest rig as backup. I wasnt sure if the .357 was really optimal for bear spanking as my father, a hunter and 23 year US Army Combat Veteran would say and couldnt bring myself to splurge on either 10mm or something in the .44 magnum ranges. The only real downside is there is not a good rifle to go with the 10 mm. 11-02-2012, 5:06 PM. If I am packing meat, I carry it in a shoulder holster. 07-11-2013, 08:10 AM. Its also probably a one or two shot deal, so firepower is irrelevant. It would beat the pants off any .44mag for sure. Ok Rambo ! Dont leave your gun in the car. Mountain lions are a protected species in California. Even then, I havent seen a failure in nearly 10 loadings, at which time I usually get rid of them. Teardrop-shaped toes. Theyll put down vermin, but small may not put down dangerous game. He has spent more than a bit of time in pursuit of bears, hogs, and other game animals with a handgun, in addition to time spent in the Alaskan game fields. You cant load the right ammo for bear defense, but its better than a sharp stick. A Sacramento Bee investigation revealed in 2017 that thanks to that language, Californians have killed far more mountain lions since Proposition 117 passed then they did before.. Mountain lions are normally very secretive and cautious. About ten years ago I killed a threatening brown/black bear with a .357 from an SP101 snubby. I have a CZ52 that shoots the old PPsH Tokarev LMG round. pistol. One must realize that with the adrendeline flowing, a moving target and possibly poor light conditions it is not easy to hit well with a hand gun no matter how good you are at the range! At 50yds not much will walk away from a hit with that bullet. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. having confidence in your weapon. With respect to the brownies, I have reached out to the bear guides, residents and hunters for their wisdom and experience on the matter, to find out exactly which sidearms they favor and why. 1. Further.. having been in life threatening situations .. having a myriad of tools to choose from.. Is just not always a benefit. load of No. Their saliva or blood can kill you even after the animal itself is already dead. Absolutely. be utilized for small game hunting: rabbit, squirrel, and grouse. With a 3-inch barrel and a six-shot cylinder combining for a weight of just 25 ounces, this gun was made to be both carried and shot. She ran out of there at Mach 3, with her blue hair on fire. Most exhibit the same irrational fear of bears as the rest of the country and irrational fear does little to generate rational ideas. (https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf) Just food for thought Stay safe Brian. A 629 classic 44 Mag. I am from Houston, TX. I know Phil has seen more bears killed than I ever will, but he got lucky. Brown bear commonsense options: Been involved in 2 grizz encounters. Si saw a black bear last year, and got lost running away from it. I enjoyed the article. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. As I think about it, I very well might start doing what commenter New Continental Army suggested: carry two guns. There are some real men out there who have seen a bear in a zoo and have shot their 500 SW 4 times 6 years ago. A 45 Long Colt? Needless to say, the culprits were evicted, the wing was evacuated and the room needed to be completely gutted and refinished. So that information has sort of vanished.. Not your problem when facing a legitimate threat from a bear. Outdoors. If I find it I will post it. Almost all .460s are semi-autos. Derek Wolfe told Tucker Carlson he plans to eat the mountain lion he hunted. Funny how there is no mention of bear spray in all of this as it has to be the first option compared to killing and animal in whose domain you have wandered. If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. Unfortunately, an enraged bear will knock you down before your gun clears leather. I dont plan to go out in the woods or scrubs any more but the S&W 629 with a 8 & 3/8 barrel Ive owned for 25 years will serve me well against black bears or hogzillas here in sunny Florida should the need arise. Remember one thing in Bear country. If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. I have been involved in stopping several black bears intent on doing us damage and have stood two brown bear charges without shooting; although in one of them I probably should have pulled the trigger. This attack from 2008 shows the utility of a handgun for defense against predators in the wild. Into a wheel gun ! They truly are amazing creatures: When you're out strolling in the woods, there's no way for you to defend yourself from a mountain lion using an air rifle. If the Hellsing 454 Casull is ever made (semi- auto), I want one. Here in Upstate New York we have a very healthy black bear population, and highway sightings are quickly becoming a regular occurrence, as are the classic raids on bird feeders and garbage cans alike. I was carrying my S&W M-57 4 inch gun. He told the cameraman Ive killed bears with this gun. A good read but I dont really see the top handguns to carry. Hornady, Any bear is a big, tough critter and to stop them you will need to penetrate and break stuff like big bones or skulls. Can a wolf beat a mountain lion? Im still skeered o rabbies. But, he says, for now, money is tight and he likes his old service size S . The SW 460 mag xvr is the best choice in my opinion. thank you kindly for sharing your extensive knowlege and guidance.I would be interested in your opinion of Underwood extreme penetrator cartridge 44 mag or 45 lc as to changing the attitude of a not well intentioned any bear . Although lighter than what one would think of as bear protection, the authors .38 Special is extremely compact, lightweight and portable. ; Dog breeds that are large, powerful, and possess protective instincts, like the German Shepard, are excellent dogs to have . Buzz, In the middle of our camps we kept a ready shotgun on a small folding table so if a quick exit from the tents was called for, everyone at least know where that one was. Surprisingly, I had to shoot it THREE times in the head, from INCHES away before it died. I sure wanted to sit and talk to him about all the storys they brought back. 3. 200gr LRN out of my G29 or EAA Elite Match. The mountain lion, also called a cougar, is the largest wildcat in North America north of Mexico. Fortunately, another adult P.J.s uncle in the party had brought a handgun along and had left it in a vehicle that was parked nearby. FMJ. The Hornady Critical Defense .410 loads (slug + 2x .35 cal balls) are rated at 750 feet per second. Something else. Scientific Evidence regarding bear spray?.. Its the sick, injured, old one that will risk human contact. Though it is illegal under state law to kill a mountain lion to protect a pet, CPW has decided not to press charges. Penetration tests have shown that load to penetrate almost exactly the same distance as a standard hardcast 44 Magnum load. landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. This gun is horrible to carry full time when it must be out of site sometimes!! From all I know and all Ive read, .357 may work for black bear, but a larger caliber is better. I almost needed a new clean pair of drawers. What part of the state? For self defense/house protection/ Find where Forrest Service websites describe the various stages of Bear attacks and when to shoot in self defense. I have had very good luck with both the 45 colt and 454 with 335gr. Mountain Lions have been known to take out horses, cattle, sheep . wolves The shop will have something to shoot almost every time regardless of where you are. They can be found throughout the state apart from the southeastern desert and the Central Valley. Brutal to shoot, but effective. They were relocating a Grizzly to a remote wilderness area. When I head afield, I nearly always carry one form of sidearm or another, and while the truly dangerous encounters are definitely a rarity, I feel better knowing I can protect my loved ones and coworkers should the event unfold. I just want to compliment you for making an extremely intelligent decision. Last I heard the Judge and Governor are chambered in .45 Colt and shoot the exact same rounds as your Redhawk does. I was charged and shot the first round at about 15 ft. 2nd followed immediately. I some what agree. and when was the last time you saw a wolves, let alone a bear.?????? Mountain lions will usually stay within their own habitats and hunt for their own food sources. However, two of those incidents resulted in fatalities. Just my 2 cents for whats its worth. If you put a 6.25 inch barrel on the glock 20 it is very capable of stopping most large animals. It took two more rounds to bring it down, running about 60 yards. Its a gun I have confidence in when I will take it to heart and now that Ive learned the 4 3 1 rule Ill not forget it, and not fail to abide by it while in bear country, and quite probably every time Im hunting. If that is the mountain lion in the background why is it field dressed. I like the S&W 460 as well. You should first attempt to fire a warning shot to scare off the lion before it attacks. Perry can dispatch a coyote with a Ruger LCP you most certainly could do it with .38 Special +p or not and it will also kill a mountain lion. I am 80 years old remember my dad had a meat market . And I do practice dry fire and shoot whatever is the cheapest ammo I can find around time. I often have to carry elk quarters out in the Bitteroot mountans, which is heavy populated with wolves, grizzly, black bear, and moose, all of which I have had numerous too close for comfort encounters where Ive had to draw down. I mostly use single action pistols in 44 Mag, 45 colt, 454 casull, and a Bowen 475 Linebaugh that is my favorite. A 10-year-old boy was killed by a mountain lion while hiking near Grand Lake in 1997, and an adult runner was killed in Idaho Springs in 1991. 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